The Jason Bourne Mafia Game

I do know what I did. I lie detected Zarniwoop's very clear statement of alignment. It came back as truth.

So Kestegs ... you are softing something unlikely.

Vote: Kestegs

I went back through the thread and only myself, Drixx and Zemaj have claimed anything.

In light of this, its pretty much coming down to claim your side and victory condition specifically or you're getting lynched in some whimsical order.
 
Research time:

List of Characters - Notably listed are Jacob and Lev Silver (brothers)

Luthur LaValle - (Prestige)

Jason Bourne: this passage looks familiar..
Later, Jakob and Les Silver (Fadi and Muta ibn Aziz in disguise) arrive at the Hotel Constitution, located on the northeast corner of 20th and F Streets. They set fire to the Hotel, but not before having a man named Omar bring them some champagne. They do this by spraying the room with Carbon Disulfide. The champagne was a ruse to kill the innocent man and use his body parts to disguise Fadi. This whole thing is a diversion to get Fadi out of the country more easily.

Prestige's death makes me wonder if this game is actually Bourne vs Town+Mafia? It sounded to me like Prestige perhaps targeted Bourne, and he is some sort of Paranoid Gun Owner that kills anybody that visits him? I know from the movies at least, anybody that went after Bourne usually ended up dead..

@zemaj - I guess I should be less helpful? Being unhelpful is not PT. I read that somewhere.. :rolleyes:
 
Hey guys.

Sigh, sorry, this game came at a really bad time for me.

I'll catch up now and give my thoughts.

No one died again at night? How is that possible that no one died two nights in a row? Especially now that we know Noodle was Town Doctor.
 
"6) Every player gets one lynch vote during the day. Votes and unvotes need to be bolded . If your unvote isn't bold, it doesn't count. As long as Ican read it and figure out ho you are voting for, I will count the vote. Obviously names that are grossly misspelled will not be counted. I'm also not going to take issue with names being case sensitive."

So does this mean I can only cast a vote once, and that's it? The part about unvoting makes me unsure of this. Can I change my vote around?
 
Welcome to the world of the living, Thingyman. As someone still relatively new to this group, I'd like to hear your take on Drixx's lie detector claim.


No one died again at night? How is that possible that no one died two nights in a row? Especially now that we know Noodle was Town Doctor.

Three sir, three!

There have been three night phases so far.

So does this mean I can only cast a vote once, and that's it? The part about unvoting makes me unsure of this. Can I change my vote around?

Naah, that's just general boiler plate. Vote and unvote all you like. The one real caveat is that you must unvote before placing a new vote.
 
Now that someone has died the game can actually begin. It's been boring up until this point first few day phases are always a slog.

Digging through Prestige's post history, looking for connections.

Day one not much is posted of relevance. Places a couple joke votes:

As people always claim that it's scummy to post non-substantive comments on the thread I was just biding my time.

Never read a Bourne book. Seen every movie but other than the pencil scene in the apartment in the first one--they all blend together for me.

Vote: Ethan Hunt

To which the only person to really respond to it is Leo:

Didn't know Tom Cruise was in this game!!! :eek:

It's scummy to post non-substantive. It's scummy to post substantively (is that a word?). It's scummy to use toilet paper the wrong way. You know what? We are all dirty and we need to wash our butts.


Later, D2 asks his "Name a townie" question, to which Prestige sidesteps quite wonderfully:

I could say "me"--but that would likely seem to self-serving. I could say Noodle because he plays the same way every time and I don't think he's ever been scum in any game I've played. I could make a random, irreverent accusation--like a fictional spy in another series--but I've done that twice already and I know it's getting old.

Barring a big uptick in activity it appears that the Grim Shrowder is going to be paying a visit to Mr Thingyman. i'll help him out with that.

VOTE: MR. THINGYMAN

D2 calls him out on it, unvoting kestegs three hours before end of day to place the first vote on Prestige. Note that kestegs already had two votes on him, and was the only real option for a lynch on day one. D2 decides to remove the third vote (of five needed) to instead start a new train that has no chance of success.

Well, I didn't have much time to post earlier during work. But, now that I am re-reading, I really dont like your post @Prestige7 ..

1. You kinda side-stepped my question. I wanted to have each player name a townie because it kinda puts scum in a dilema. They know who the town are. Do they name a townie, and confirm that player as town when they flip? Or, do they name one of their scum partners, hoping it will absolve them, but also risk putting them under the microscope. Anyway, I was not.impressed with your response. I also name Zemaj at this point, he has appeared to be the most constructive so far.

2. I dunno if you dont understand that your vote is pointless on a player that gets MK? or, if its a deliberate attempt to "vote" without getting yourself in hot water. Either way, it isnt good.

With only a few houra left, I dont see us accomplishing much. So, I am just gonna go with my gut.

UnVote: Kestegs
Vote: Prestige

If we are really headed for 2x MK, myonly consolation is that we have roughly 50/50 chance of snagging 1 scum. I will still be around for a while to see if.anything develops. Otherwuse, I will just leave my vote.there.

Bonus points, this is also the post where D2 suggests that he knows how many mafia members there are.


Day Two analysis next post, I'll try to split them up for ease of reading.
 
Day two:

After a couple people ask D2 to clarify his statements about the mafia numbe

Me too. I was brutal at math, but if 2/10 were to me mk--I don't see how that equates to a 50% chance that one of those two would have been scum. It's not the same as flipping a coin 10x--or, is it?

Kestegs moves his vote to Prestige:


I'm not a fan of prestige's post yesterday, and if Thingyman doesn't show up and gets mked he's a top suspect in my book.

Unvote:Caluin Graye
Vote: Prestige7

Which shortly afterwards Prestige responds to kestegs, talking about D2's 'who is town?' question:

It's a terrible question as it relates to the remaining 9 players in the game as it epitomizes a "lose-lose" situation. you either look self-serving scum or you look like you are trying to skirt the issue altogether. It was a very effective question in that it stirred the pot and (by outward appearances) started beef between players. Is the beef for show? At this point, only the participants, the mafia (if they are legit beefing and not scum) and (Silver) know for certain.

Which then causes kestegs to immediately remove his vote from Prestige and switch over to D2:

Pretty much. So what do you think about Zarni's claim directly above you?

Unvote: Prestige7
Vote: D2DC

I prod him about something he said that didn't quite sound right to me:


With practically the same people posting today as yesterday (actually, one less person) and no new information to work off of, how do you figure we are 'deeper in the game' than we were yesterday?

To which I get this non-answer:

For starters, it appears that we are a mere 13 hours (most of them being sleeping time) from a couple of mod kills. That, by its very nature brings us deeper into the game.

Moreover, there has been some dissection of people's posts on the thread. Granted, that sometimes happens on Day 1--but not always. That, to me is indicative of progress in the game.

Finally, somebody is out there making night moves (the attempted assassination) and the target of the night move survived. As such, there is someone out there that wishes that one of us was no longer playing in this game--and the target of that person is either very lucky or, more likely, has a special ability which allowed him or her to survive the attack. I suppose that a 3rd party could have a protective ability, and saved the target, but that seems unlikely as I haven't seen any indication that people are strong enough allies that they would take a bullet/use a power on them at this point of the game. (Not to mention that they would have to know that the impending "hit" was ordered in advance so they could invoke their power.)


And then he dies.

Analysis next.
 
Looks like a couple parts of my two above posts got lost in formatting, probably because I'm bouncing back and forth between pages and the draft saves of my replies weren't keeping up. Think the gist is kept well enough; let me know if something doesn't make sense and I'll try to clarify.

To me, Prestige's actions on Day One and Day Two look like standard mafia behaviour. Tentative to post, but quick to respond when a safe topic is presented or someone interacts with him directly. Typical "don't want to make waves" type of behaviour. Feels safer approaching conversation with his scum buddies (more on the plurality in a second), doesn't interact with those not on his team (I.E., town) unless they approach him first.

Then there is this post:
Drixx/Zarni - after Zemaj said he had the same thought regarding your "beef", I even began thinking that it was so blatantly made up, that it was intended to.be so. But, that seems unlikely to me.

1. Beef is made up, and you are both scum
2. Beef is legit, and Drixx is a very fervent townie
3. Beef is overly blatant. This would be too risky in my eyes. Basially, Drixx (as instigator), would be scum. And, hatches a genius scheme to draw Zarni into an obviously fake beef, which everyone will see through, thus getting Zarni lynched. And, when Zarni flips.town, Drixx will be exonerated. Thats quite a master plan..

The fact.that I am even thinking about #3 tells me how "manufactured" your beef.looks though.

Scenario one: Both scum.
Scenario two: Zarni scum, Drixx town.
Scenario three: Zarni town, Drixx scum.

Where is scenario four, where both are town? This screams to me like mafia member trying to set up a lynch train on two people he knows will both flip town.

His move of day one vote helps prevent the lynching of his partner, but still allows him to keep a vote on a mafia partner should he later be flipped and revealed scum. His day two vote stays on Zarniwoop the entire day, even though he fingers kestegs and prestige as his two highest scum reads. These are the actions of someone who, when his partners flip, can reach back and say "Hey, I thought he was scum this entire time!", but doesn't want to actively help in their demise.

I'm of the opinion that D2DC and kestegs are partners amd Prestige was on their team.

Vote: DiabloTwoinDC

I could also be persuaded to move my vote to kestegs.
 
What I find most interesting is that everyone that has posted since Drixx's HUGE reveal (except me) has completely ignored (or tried to avoid) his ability claim and result.

They have also ignored my follow up and suggestion. Its a pretty ugly look.

CG you are way onto my watch list now.
 
What I find most interesting is that everyone that has posted since Drixx's HUGE reveal (except me) has completely ignored (or tried to avoid) his ability claim and result.

They have also ignored my follow up and suggestion. Its a pretty ugly look.

CG you are way onto my watch list now.

The lie detector claim? You know that's crap, right?

I am town.

Feel better?
 
Damnit. Got busy at work, and now I lost my quotes 'cause I'm on another computer.

What I remember: At first I was doubting Diablo, since he seemed weird. But then I got good vibes again, based on him being insistent about his questioning and him having paranoid thoughts about Drixx and someone else possibly being mafia/mafia together.

And I think that was as of page 6. So gonna continue reading from there.
 
This will be a bit rushed, as I'm already late for work and will be on my phone only the rest of the day.



Did you actually read those posts, because while I will not argue that they have been overly substantive I do believe you are painting an inaccurate picture.

I both agree and disagree on the need to get something accomplished soon. Nobody has died yet, but that won't last forever. But nobody has died yet and so in a way it still feels like D1, and I'm not a huge fan of lynching D1.



Did you plan this attack out with D2DC, letting him call me scum first and then you follow up with the "evidence"?

What is the most townie way to respond to "are you mafia"?

As I've stated several times, I did answer his "who do you think is town?" question. I'm incredibly sorry that neither of you can either read or accept my answer, but it's right there in the post you quoted.

Slightly townie'ish paranoia to have.

I do know what I did. I lie detected Zarniwoop's very clear statement of alignment. It came back as truth.

So Kestegs ... you are softing something unlikely.

Vote: Kestegs

Hmm. Well, this clears Zarniwoop at least. Either Drixx is town and telling the truth, or he is mafia making a weird play, but I think he wouldn't do that with Zarni as his mafia partner.

While I didn't feel that good about Drixx before this, I... Just sort of believe this.

So Drixx and Zarni town. Me town. That's 3 towns already.

This was my bait. I went ahead and soft-set the possibility of multiple anti-town factions or a SK. The idea being that townies typically don't care about those particulars... anti-town is anti-town... if you are town. Who cares about multiple anti-town factions? Scum. They cannot win if there is another mafia/SK.

So left it there, and see who bites... and who was that? Why it was none other than my top suspect from yesterday: kestegs.



And just now quoting, I realize he slipped otherwise. He said THIRD. So he already knows of two. Did anyone in this thread discover a SECOND anti-town for this to be a THIRD? Not that I've seen.

Vote: kestegs

Leo makes my short list for, can we guess? Running interference!


Trying to mitigate your buddies slip?

D2DC also has made it in third. Overly helpful guy is usually up to something.

CG is not making waves, or asking pointed questions... trying to play nice for... why?

Drixx and Zarni seem most likely to be town, from where I'm at, ftb.

Thingy gets null... I have to have something to work with. So... direct question: what do you think of my case against kestegs?

So for one, I mostly like zemaj's reads here.

But more importantly, I don't think he sets this trap as a mafia. That's an advanced play to pull here. Has anyone seen zemaj do anything remotely similar as scum before?

So that means we can add zemaj as 4th town*

*Since some communities will have strong reactions to such a statement, I am of course not locking this in or saying it's 100%, but it's the assumption I'm working with for now at least, call it 85% sure

I went back through the thread and only myself, Drixx and Zemaj have claimed anything.

In light of this, its pretty much coming down to claim your side and victory condition specifically or you're getting lynched in some whimsical order.

What have you claimed, Zarni? And what has zemaj claimed?

Welcome to the world of the living, Thingyman. As someone still relatively new to this group, I'd like to hear your take on Drixx's lie detector claim.




Three sir, three!

There have been three night phases so far.



Naah, that's just general boiler plate. Vote and unvote all you like. The one real caveat is that you must unvote before placing a new vote.

What I find strange is that YOU haven't reacted to it. And that more people in general haven't reacted to it.

You are maybe my biggest scum read atm.

Now that someone has died the game can actually begin. It's been boring up until this point first few day phases are always a slog.

Digging through Prestige's post history, looking for connections.

Day one not much is posted of relevance. Places a couple joke votes:



To which the only person to really respond to it is Leo:




Later, D2 asks his "Name a townie" question, to which Prestige sidesteps quite wonderfully:



D2 calls him out on it, unvoting kestegs three hours before end of day to place the first vote on Prestige. Note that kestegs already had two votes on him, and was the only real option for a lynch on day one. D2 decides to remove the third vote (of five needed) to instead start a new train that has no chance of success.



Bonus points, this is also the post where D2 suggests that he knows how many mafia members there are.


Day Two analysis next post, I'll try to split them up for ease of reading.

And again I find you to be focusing on weird stuff. Like, Prestige voted me... So why don't you even comment on that whatsoever?

What I find most interesting is that everyone that has posted since Drixx's HUGE reveal (except me) has completely ignored (or tried to avoid) his ability claim and result.

They have also ignored my follow up and suggestion. Its a pretty ugly look.

CG you are way onto my watch list now.

Agree 100%.

So I mentioned before I sort of had Diablo as a town lean. But it was based on quotes that I can't even remember that clearly anymore, so put him back to neutral.
 
Townies:
Mr_Thingyman
Zarniwoop
Drixx
zemaj

Neutral:
DiabloTwoinDC
kestegs
Leopold Stotch

Scum:
Caluin Graye


Is it very likely that there are third party roles in this game? I'm not used to them being in games this small. But it seems you're all talking like it's quite likely? That will make this game much more difficult, sigh :/
 
Vote: Caluin Graye

So to summarize, I suspect CG based on him not focusing on what I find to be pertinent matters. And more importantly, compared to other players, he just hasn't had any impact or any "I'm trying hard to solve the game" vibes in his posts. It's what players on my site would call a tone read. He appears to just be posting to seem like a townie.
 
I'll check in later to see how the votes are looking.

It seems kestegs might be the second most or even the number one most suspected person in the game, and if you guys REALLY want to go for him first, I'll look at it more carefully later, but... My gut isn't sure on him.
 
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