INVADER ZIM and the St. Valentine's Day Massacre! Post Game Thread TOWNIE WIN!!

[Pancakes]

I don't think I misunderstood at all. I was talking about your initial list. What does President Man have to do with it? Did I say only characters in that episode could be players. No, I didn't. My point was that (1) MiMi is relevant to the theme, and (2) you left her out of your first list. That's all. Do you dispute either of those things?

Then I offered an explanation of why I thought it might be relevant. I wasn't drawing a conclusion, though. Not strong evidence, as I said.

Now, I think you're trying to gaslight and obfuscate. If not, then please explain to the class what President Man has to do with what I said about the exclusion of MiMi to the list.

You asked if Keef was more important than MiMi. Cleary not, since he is not even named in it. Then you hypothesized I was making a list with Keef as a decoy, deliberately exluding MiMi since I'm MiMi in this fantasy and I can't go giving people ideas, and then claiming Keef, who is not actually in the list. Is that a fair approximation of the questioning? I'm tired of the pointless sniping.
My list is not exhaustive. I do not have access to the game list, I was just trying to provide some names of major characters and notable side characters that stood a good chance of appearing in the game. The purpose of this was to give us a few names to work with and possibly try to predict some roles from what we know of the characters. It is true that MiMi is not in the list. I honestly didn't even know that Tak's SIR had a name. I last watched the episode at least five years ago.
My reply reresident Man is in reference to your comment about adding an obscure, unrelated character like Keef instead of MiMi. If President Man is in the game, which seems to be accepted by the group, then why not Keef? I don't believe that the presence of one and the absence of the other means anything. Furthermore, the list was made at a time when we were not yet aware that butters was following the events of Tak the Hideous New Girl, and in the grand scheme of Zim Keef's entire episode beats out the spooky cat/capable robot.

 

[D2DC]

I suspect Zim is not dead, or at least not completely dead. I'm leaning towards him still being able to request a night action, but possibly with a limited chance of success.

I'm not on the list, and never having watched or heard of this show before this game, have no idea if my name is even a character.

1. After watching the episode, I am wondering if we need Zim/GIR's help to defeat Tak?

2. Glad you came by to stake your name (off the list).

 

[snickersnack]

You asked if Keef was more important than MiMi. Cleary not, since he is not even named in it. Then you hypothesized I was making a list with Keef as a decoy, deliberately exluding MiMi since I'm MiMi in this fantasy and I can't go giving people ideas, and then claiming Keef, who is not actually in the list. Is that a fair approximation of the questioning? I'm tired of the pointless sniping.
My list is not exhaustive. I do not have access to the game list, I was just trying to provide some names of major characters and notable side characters that stood a good chance of appearing in the game. The purpose of this was to give us a few names to work with and possibly try to predict some roles from what we know of the characters. It is true that MiMi is not in the list. I honestly didn't even know that Tak's SIR had a name. I last watched the episode at least five years ago.

I asked two questions in my last post, and you answered neither.

My reply reresident Man is in reference to your comment about adding an obscure, unrelated character like Keef instead of MiMi. If President Man is in the game, which seems to be accepted by the group, then why not Keef? I don't believe that the presence of one and the absence of the other means anything. Furthermore, the list was made at a time when we were not yet aware that butters was following the events of Tak the Hideous New Girl, and in the grand scheme of Zim Keef's entire episode beats out the spooky cat/capable robot.

wut?

 

[Pancakes]

I have doubts that GIR is mafia. I also have doubts he is town. GIR just does things, he doesn't really care who benefits.

 

[snickersnack]

I've made my case. @Pancakes wants to talk in circles, but I don't see the point in asking the same questions again.

I'll wait to see what @d2lover thinks about more role/character claims.

 

[Pancakes]

I've made my case. @Pancakes wants to talk in circles, but I don't see the point in asking the same questions again.

What you say, man. I honestly don't even know what the accusations are anymore, so I'm just gonna let you do your thing. I've addressed everything you said to the best of my comprehension. I broke down your entire post and addressed each part. If the rest of the town is looking on and seeing me being mafia scum from that, so be it. Can we focus on the actual evidence now?

 

[snickersnack]

I suspect Zim is not dead, or at least not completely dead. I'm leaning towards him still being able to request a night action, but possibly with a limited chance of success.

What do you think we can infer about that?

 

[Pancakes]

1. After watching the episode, I am wondering if we need Zim/GIR's help to defeat Tak?

This is interesting. If GIR is mafia, you think he has no NK power, and has to vote with us to find her?

 

[snickersnack]

Can we focus on the actual evidence now?

Sure. What do you think is the relevant evidence, in general, so far?

 

[D2DC]

This is interesting. If GIR is mafia, you think he has no NK power, and has to vote with us to find her?

Assuming there are two Mafia/Alien factions. I find it nearly inconceivable that they BOTH have NK abilities.
1. That would just be too imbalanced for a game like this.
2. We've had TWO nights now, and the only "dead" player was Mafia
a. Zim's Mafia have the NK ability, targeted Tak and died, or somehow got the kill redirected or who knows what, then apparently targeted Pyro N2 and failed.
b. Tak's faction has the NK ability and got lucky N1, taking out Zim, then apparently targeted Pyro N2 and failed.

The episode/character list makes me wonder if we need to cooperate with Zim?
1. There are much more powerful aliens than Zim in that episode, so if they are in this game, how is town going to defeat them?
2. The potential list of characters has a lot of aliens. Like half. Mafia games need like a 70:30 - 80:20 ratio. So, if we have 4 (or more) aliens in this game, maybe they have a lot of NK nerfs, and we need to be very careful not to vote out any of our "barely a majority" town.

 

[d2lover]

@snickersnack yes, say your name.

 

[Noodle]

What do you think we can infer about that?

The possibilities are limitless. Carpe diem, and all that rot.

 

[Pyrotechnician]

I've read the past 6 pages or so 3 times already and I'm having a hard time following what direction we are going...it doesn't help that I'm exhuasted I guess. I might just have to read it again in the morning....

Couple things that did stick out to me that were interesting enough to note were:
- It appears that anyone that interacts with pancakes overnight loses an organ and the ability to vote.

Babyhell said he claimed in one of his earlier posts, but this is all I see as "claims" :
- I am a big red piggy eating marshmallows aaaalll day long.
- only ONE person matters for me

Anyway only ONE person matters for me.

Doesn't seem to be you. I'd be devastated if so. But we need some confirmation/info.

- Grmf

Grmf.

Other things to respond to:

Also, d2lover.. I've been trying to be subtle about this.. but I'm just gonna come out with a big red sign:

I think you were the actual NK target, not Pyro. Do you have any evidence to support this? Pryo claims he had 1-shot BP, which is what theoretically prevented the NK. Pyro never directly claims this, and in fact says that he was not told anything that he was targeted.

edit: forgot to finish my thought

Pyro says he wasn't told of any attempted NK. But, the BP combined with the no kill leads us to believe he was the target (which would likely clear him from being mafia).

No. and to my understanding the whole BP was his idea/mentioning

I never directly claimed it because I didn't think it was necessary. I had a one shot bullet proof at the beginning of the game, and at the beginning of this day phase I was told that my one shot bullet proof was used last night. Thinking about the order of operations for night actions/abilities I think this means that the kill was stopped due to my one shot. The only part I cannot confirm or deny is if I was the intended target. There is no way for me to know that.

Can you tell which character? I don't know all the characters, but a lot of the major ones would be Mafia, right? Tallest, parents etc. What would Ms Bitters be?

Ms. Bitters is the old "bitter" teacher. She generally hates all things including the kids in her class. Not sure how to classify her but she is human at least.

There seems to be a huge focus on "the list" of characters to be the end all be all. There are a ton of characters in the show so I'd expect a mix of characters. The more well known ones, such as Dib/Gaz/Gir/Zim are essentially the main cast though and you can almost guarantee they would be in the game. Everyone else outside of that could go either way for including or excluding depending on what fits Leo's setup.

 

[D2DC]

Babyhell said he claimed in one of his earlier posts, but this is all I see as "claims" :
- I am a big red piggy eating marshmallows aaaalll day long.
- only ONE person matters for me

Look again. Or, just wait and all will be revealed.

I never directly claimed it because I didn't think it was necessary. I had a one shot bullet proof at the beginning of the game, and at the beginning of this day phase I was told that my one shot bullet proof was used last night. Thinking about the order of operations for night actions/abilities I think this means that the kill was stopped due to my one shot. The only part I cannot confirm or deny is if I was the intended target. There is no way for me to know that.

Yea, I know you didn't directly claim. I just couldn't wrap my head around that you were the target (intended or otherwise). But, Snicker & d2lover have not said anything indicating that either of them were targeted instead. That leads me to believe you were hit, one way or another. Which would, by most reasonable explanations, put you in the clear.

There seems to be a huge focus on "the list" of characters to be the end all be all.

Sorry to put so much focus on it. Obviously nothing is guaranteed to be on/off the list. I am still hoping to make some conclusions from it.

 

[snickersnack]

@snickersnack yes, say your name.

I am Dib.

 

[D2DC]

I am Dib.

Thanks. I (and probably others) suspected as much.

Now, @Babyhell - what is going on here?

I didn't post much. That is in one of today's post.

I may tell more later. Look for weird post.

Somehow answered already right before. But just note the "What I see"... I'm not knowing it exactly, in fact I am one of the ones that must see the less given my knowledge of the context and my role.

S.B.W.I - No idea what that means

Do not think I know everything. I don't.
Be smarter than that.

D.I.B.

I am trying to share thoughts. Later maybe you will figure out...Off my head if you go lynch me, anyway. Vain strategy from myself maybe, but what else can I do...Epic conclusion or random failure, it's up to you to decide - Understood?

I.L.O.V.E.U

Who exactly are you claiming to be here? I don't see anything in the wiki about Dib having a girlfriend or something. From the Valentine's episode, I'd say Dib's GF would most likely to be Tak..

 

[D2DC]

It may look like conspiracy theory when all broken up in my post. However, post #542 was BH saying that he had already claimed his character, and that we should look for a "weird post". Post #488 is that weird post.

 

[d2lover]

I really dislike looking for weird posts.

Unvote: Pyrotechnician
Vote: Babyhell

Also spreading confusion is not really townlike
Great you brought that up, I remember now what's important.

STOP the crusade!

 

[snickersnack]

@D2DC Your name?

 

[D2DC]

@D2DC Your name?

I'm gonna see what BH has to say, but I'm sure you know who I am already.