The Weather Outside Is Frightful! Die Hard Christmas Mafia Game - Day 4 (Game over - Scum Win)

Hey @Pyrotechnician, forgot you were here. Happy trails!

Vote: Pyrotechnician
I told you he was scum. Jumping on any occasion to vote something that was not even part of the tendencies just to separate votes and avoid a lynch.

Believe me.

Just vote D2DC
 
You mean by a specific action throughout the night or something like that?
The only thing that makes sense to me is that you are some sort of day cop. The first thing you did was investigate me, before I had even posted in the game thread. This is how you'd be so 100% sure I am scum before I'd even said a word.
 
The only thing that makes sense to me is that you are some sort of day cop. The first thing you did was investigate me, before I had even posted in the game thread. This is how you'd be so 100% sure I am scum before I'd even said a word.
And this would have to mean that you are a paranoid day cop (since I am town). Coupled with your response that you aren't clear what "an investigation result" means, I find this a highly unlikely scenario.

You're either some strange 3rd party/jester/condemner/bomb, or an EXTREMELY overzealous and misguided townie.
 
The only thing that makes sense to me is that you are some sort of day cop. The first thing you did was investigate me, before I had even posted in the game thread. This is how you'd be so 100% sure I am scum before I'd even said a word.
Interesting point of reflexion.

To be honest, if I was a cop it wouldn't be the best timing to uncover. But well you are right, I am not a cop.

And let's be fair: I NEVER EVER told I was 100% sure of that.

Sometimes intuition leads to the right direction.

Your first answer pretty much confirms that, whatever you added afterwards.

All of you, believe me. We need a lynch today. For breakfast he brought pie. For our last lunch today, let's bring him.

Just vote D2DC
 
Sometimes intuition leads to the right direction.
Yes, and even a broken clock is correct twice every day. However, this is no way to play a game of reasoning + deduction like mafia.
 
This whole D2DC and Babyhell thing is taking up a lot of time and is distracting at best. Hoping I could figure something out from it, I re-re-read the second half of the day yesterday, there was nothing of real interest in there except for the couple pieces here:

At least from what I read there, I (think?) I do know the goal of what I'm doing.

Having fun around @D2DC is not that stupid indeed: as an experienced player, he will provide some information in the way he handles the situation - if at some point the "holy crusade delirium" take off, that is. I will just have to wait until his death or the end of the game to know what role he has and get experience from that. Last game Noodle wasn't answering much before his death, so well... I hope a bit more from D2DC.


On another point, remember last game (cc @Leopold Stotch): I pretty much included myself as potential scums when answering to role valuations. No different here, except I'm not 100% fresh anymore, and decided to throw a lot to grab "maybe" informations. Playing differently to learn the consequences of different strategies :)

Not that I grabbed a lot by now, but still it may help for later. Still having fun with this crusade thingy that went when I decided to push on D2DC. Nothing personal, just... he is scum :ROFLMAO:

In the end, basically I'm a townie, and from what I understood some roles can give information by sacrificing early to scums - not my case. And if I was scum, I wouldn't go towards a D1 lynch to maximise N1 consequences.

If votes or questions start to stack on me, I'd better give an explanation sooner than later, right?

Now that you had (I hope so) a good read...

Just vote D2DC.

Amen!

I was about to offer some advice to @Babyhell, then I saw the jester etc posts

I seriously doubt you would be undertaking your "crusade" against me as scum, it's just too aggressive. However, it isn't exactly pro-town either. Your tunneling on me so hard with no information to go on.. perhaps out of spite? I have no idea.

Once the possible roles started to get mentioned, I immediately thought of:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Condemner

Your reference to dying tonight or the next perhaps means you only have a certain number of phases to get my lynched? :unsure:

I've run through my head the few different possibilities. Including what was mentioned in current discussions, possible village idiot? possible jester? possible bomb? possible cop? possible insane cop? If its bomb, it would have to be on lynch, but then he certainly doesn't seem like a "town" bomb since the only play that can be really be made on that is trying to goad who you think is scum into lynching/locking you. The cop aspect would have to be some kind of day time function because Babyhell came right out of the gate with this whole mess of posts right from the start of the game.

Ignoring any of the role aspects, I bolded a couple of parts above, I'm not sure how much Babyhell and D2DC have played games with eachother in the past, but it seems like its possible Babyhell is going strong after D2DC because he knows D2DC is a strong player? I know I always consider take into consideration what D2DC might do as either town or scum because he is too good at this game. Is that what this whole nonsense is about? I'm not sure, but the post above seems to indicate Babyhell knows what he is doing, or maybe it just spite like D2DC mentioned because you don't go this strong on one person without some kind of reason.

I'm not sure I'd say Babyhell is scum, I'd say best course of action is probably just to ignore him for the most part.

The only other thing that was of real interest based on on my re-read was Zhao's death:
If we push for a lynch we need to start it early to allow the player to defend themselves and generate a meaningful discussion.

Vote: Coju

That's 3 votes out of 6 needed for a lynch with 12? hours left for the day.

Coju give me a reason why it's possible you're on the mafia team, and if we shouldn't lynch you, what would be a better alternative.

He was the only one to really push for coju yesterday, and he came up dead today. I think someone else already mentioned it, but scum could of killed zhao, either to push more suspicion on coju, or to alleviate pressure on their buddy. Really hard to say based on the limited information we have. I'm not big for pushing for a coju lynch right now, but I'd keep a closer eye on him just based on the interaction the two had.
 
Yes, and even a broken clock is correct twice every day. However, this is no way to play a game of reasoning + deduction like mafia.
True, and I shared some thoughts here or there.

Right, you are in the middle of a holy crusade that may cover my other analysis, but that doesn't mean I crossed the line of a collaborative play.

All we are facing is that some people hide. Real life issues? Taking advantage of ourselves/myself filling the space?

Obviously there are people that could be more suspect than you. BUT from my point of view, amongst the people that effectively participate, I don't see @Skjolde or @HuckIt, I don't buy @coju as a scum trap. It leaves you, as the other ones either have (for now) low participation, no participation, or...is dead (Zhao).

I can understand that if you follow the same thinking, I am your target of choice.

That's a mirror situation.

Now we can also throw calls towards @Noodle, @thefranklin or @Leopold Stotch... That's another plan
 
This whole D2DC and Babyhell thing is taking up a lot of time and is distracting at best. Hoping I could figure something out from it, I re-re-read the second half of the day yesterday, there was nothing of real interest in there except for the couple pieces here:





I've run through my head the few different possibilities. Including what was mentioned in current discussions, possible village idiot? possible jester? possible bomb? possible cop? possible insane cop? If its bomb, it would have to be on lynch, but then he certainly doesn't seem like a "town" bomb since the only play that can be really be made on that is trying to goad who you think is scum into lynching/locking you. The cop aspect would have to be some kind of day time function because Babyhell came right out of the gate with this whole mess of posts right from the start of the game.

Ignoring any of the role aspects, I bolded a couple of parts above, I'm not sure how much Babyhell and D2DC have played games with eachother in the past, but it seems like its possible Babyhell is going strong after D2DC because he knows D2DC is a strong player? I know I always consider take into consideration what D2DC might do as either town or scum because he is too good at this game. Is that what this whole nonsense is about? I'm not sure, but the post above seems to indicate Babyhell knows what he is doing, or maybe it just spite like D2DC mentioned because you don't go this strong on one person without some kind of reason.

I'm not sure I'd say Babyhell is scum, I'd say best course of action is probably just to ignore him for the most part.

The only other thing that was of real interest based on on my re-read was Zhao's death:


He was the only one to really push for coju yesterday, and he came up dead today. I think someone else already mentioned it, but scum could of killed zhao, either to push more suspicion on coju, or to alleviate pressure on their buddy. Really hard to say based on the limited information we have. I'm not big for pushing for a coju lynch right now, but I'd keep a closer eye on him just based on the interaction the two had.
That's more like it Pyro.

UnVote: Pyrotechnician
Vote: Leopold Stotch
 
That's more like it Pyro.

UnVote: Pyrotechnician
Vote: Leopold Stotch
I like a vote for Leo and will try to change my vote on d2dc. LAL
I think the consensus is that babyhell is not scum yet several votes are on him.

I think (vote) D2DC and babyhell have some connection. I’ve been convinced that freeing d2dc from this tower will free babyhell to be of more usage to us.
 
Whether a big ploy and personal vendetta, or babyhell knows more and has tried letting us know but is insanely unable to do so
 
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