INVADER ZIM and the St. Valentine's Day Massacre! Post Game Thread TOWNIE WIN!!

Ok, went back to re-read all of Gorny's posts to see if there was anything to be drawn from them. So, D1 I thought there was a link between BH & Gorny, but the whole posting of inboxes kinda distracted me from it.
That was once.



Now twice.

The Gorny/BH interactions are pinging my scumdar. It may be that Gorny is trying to patch things up after last game. But, keep an eye on these two..
Came across this post from BH, which I find quite strangely detailed, given that it's D1 setup speculation. BH is talking as if he knows exactly what the setup is.
I don't know at all Zim. Watched a random episode, read a part of the fandom wiki related to the character name I have been given, some general information, the inputs given by Pancakes, period.

What I see:
An aggressive camp being Taz (? The second alien?)
A defensive camp being the earthlings, behind their beloved paranormal activities nerd leader Dib
A semi-aggressive camp being Zim

There must be some investigation abilities for the aggressive camps, in order to find the other alien. They may even have a special kill ability in order to kill him/her(/it?)

Dib could have an investigation ability, and amongst the other earthlings, a doctor/protective ability.

And as a consequence, night activities could be abilities only, and no NK. Or would be Taz ability...

In the end that could be those winning conditions:
- Taz wins if last or last vs Zim
- Zim wins if Dib and Taz are dead
- Earthlings win if Taz and Zim are dead

Well...that would be my current view on the setup. Now that I shared something, I just can hope you're not going strong again on me day 1.

Anyway, given this situation, I would go for a day 1 lynch. I don't have much time to think about the consequences of it yet, but that's a feeling I share as you asked so @Skjolde. No idea at all who to vote for though...
Later he comes back with this, apparently claiming that there could be anywhere between 1-3 baddies. 1/10 seems unreasonable to begin with, especially considering how "confident" he seemed in his faction/setup analysis.
Alright if 3/10 gives a chance to hit baddies validating a Day 1 lynch, any equal or above makes it straightforward for a Day 1 lynch.

If there are less baddies (2/10, 1/10), this can be different. I don't say it is, I didn't do any math on that, but just in that case where there are less than the usual ratio, it can be checked.

Just simple logic (maybe too simple and not valid?) behind this, I hope you get my idea now that I've been clearer?

I don't see a setup with less - or I wouldn't go for a day 1 lynch without thinking about it - I just discuss the "straightforward" wording.
Noteworthy posts from Gorny:
Only a few choices for me as to a D1 lynch, but none really strong or "screaming scum"

1. Noodle, based on him claiming town D1 (twice) and the fact that he NEVER claims D1 or otherwise, especially this early.

2. d2lover, more for claiming that he is town too D1 and less so for voting me out of the gate.

3. Pyro for the sheer fun of it.
Several? people (including Pyro) mentioned that we should check Gorny's sus list for possible partners, as scum typically try to include one of their own as to put distance between them.
  • d2lover has claimed and not been CC
  • Pyro has claimed (although I don't believe it as much as d2lover's)
  • Noodle has claimed VT (repeatedly)
Do we still think he has a partner on that list? Pyro, you'd probably be the most suspicious of the three to me..
Vote: d2lover
Gorny's last minute vote for d2 lover. As pointed out, there was no chance of this resulting in a lynch. However, if he had jumped on the Pyro train, there was a slight chance it would result in a lynch.
- What is the point of voting d2lover before days end from a town perspective when there is no chance of anyone being lynched at this point?
 
I'm going with this for now.

Vote: Babyhell
But wouldn't a late vote on your mafia partner with a unrealistic chance of turning into a lynch be the perfect cover up? He mentions d2l on his sus list AND he votes for him that's like a double whammy
 
But I do agree with you on Pyro. He has been "investigated" by Snicker, he was pointed out by Gorny and I think his lynch will help us progress the most atm. It is still early, so let's see what happens.

@Leopold Stotch can we get an exact time for the eod? :)
 
But wouldn't a late vote on your mafia partner with a unrealistic chance of turning into a lynch be the perfect cover up? He mentions d2l on his sus list AND he votes for him that's like a double whammy
Gorny's vote on d2l only made it two votes. And, it showed up at 3:01. There was ZERO chance that d2l was getting lunched. However, a last minute vote on Pyro, could have resulted in a lynch. Even that was a long shot though, as it would have required more last minute votes to drop. For me, what you're describing would have been a good way to cover up any connection with Pyro.
 
Later he comes back with this, apparently claiming that there could be anywhere between 1-3 baddies. 1/10 seems unreasonable to begin with, especially considering how "confident" he seemed in his faction/setup analysis.
Lol. Nice. You were asking, i answer the why based upon possibilities, and use it afterwards.

Just read the exchanges again, nothing worthy here. Just thoughts about what could be a realistic setup given the inputs given by others. And explanations on your own question of which situation could lead to have a no lynch day 1 questionable.

As I don't have any Zim's knowledge, all I can do is try to think about a somehow balanced setup, and share it. If I was scum, I would just keep it for myself, shouldn't I?

Please, you are better than that...even if you are scum, you have better ways to build something up. And I do think you are not.
 
Came across this post from BH, which I find quite strangely detailed, given that it's D1 setup speculation. BH is talking as if he knows exactly what the setup is.
Somehow answered already right before. But just note the "What I see"... I'm not knowing it exactly, in fact I am one of the ones that must see the less given my knowledge of the context and my role.

Do not think I know everything. I don't.
Be smarter than that.

I am trying to share thoughts. Later maybe you will figure out...Off my head if you go lynch me, anyway. Vain strategy from myself maybe, but what else can I do...Epic conclusion or random failure, it's up to you to decide - Understood?
 
@Babyhell - did you claim a character role? We need a summary..

Noodle - Vanilla Townie (multiple times)
d2lover - Town, Gaz
Snicker - Town, Motion Detector
Pyro - Town, President Man (1-shot BP, activated on N2)
Pancakes - Vanilla Town, Keef
D2DC - "on Pancakes list"

Didn't Pancakes say his character was on his list as well?
 
I will not roleclaim, but I will say I am on my list. I will roleclaim if I make it through the night.
Ok, he did say he was on the list.
So I thought about it for a while on the truck today and came up with a list of characters that might be notable enough to be in the game. This doesn't really mean much, since butters could pick just about anyone she wants, but if we're going with the bigguns:
The Tallest
Zim
Dib
Gaz
Professor Membrane
GIR
Ms Bitters
Parents

Unless I'm overlooking someone, those are the main recurring, named characters.
Off the top of my head, some other named characters that play a role in at least one or two episodes:
Tak
Keef
Chickenfoot
Bloaty
HUNTER-DESTROYER
And, most importantly, Invader Skoodge.

I may have missed a couple, but that's what I got until I have time to peruse the wiki more. Thirteen names. With there being so few of us, and given that butters seems to want this to be pretty connected to the material, I think it's very likely that most of these names, at least the main ones, are in use. Regarding the theory of The Tallest being a faction, I think butters has answered this. Check out her avatar.
And, Keef is there although one of the "minor" characters. Anybody familiar with the show think that Keef was an odd one to include? Meaning, the bigger the character, the more reason to include them on the list (which makes a fake-claim of that character riskier). The more obscure characters, less reason to put them on this list.

* Also, President Man is nowhere on the list, which could make it a convenient, low-risk fake claim by scum.
 
Gorny's vote on d2l only made it two votes. And, it showed up at 3:01. There was ZERO chance that d2l was getting lunched. However, a last minute vote on Pyro, could have resulted in a lynch. Even that was a long shot though, as it would have required more last minute votes to drop. For me, what you're describing would have been a good way to cover up any connection with Pyro.
That seems plausible. You seem to have a pretty strong case against, so I'm slightly confused at your vote on BH. We don't have a ton of hours left and we should maybe try and steer towards an concensus
 
That seems plausible. You seem to have a pretty strong case against, so I'm slightly confused at your vote on BH. We don't have a ton of hours left and we should maybe try and steer towards an concensus
Against pyro
 
That seems plausible. You seem to have a pretty strong case against, so I'm slightly confused at your vote on BH. We don't have a ton of hours left and we should maybe try and steer towards an concensus
My vote on BH is certainly not set in stone. But, I would probably vote coju or Pancakes before Pyro.
 
And, despite all the "claiming" that's been going on, we only have 1 person that named a character from the main list:
The Tallest
Zim
Dib
Gaz
Professor Membrane
GIR
Ms Bitters
Parents
GIR is probably Mafia/third faction, right? I assume everyone else on that list gonna be town, right?
 
I did not get confirmation that the kill targeted me, just that my one shot was used.
I am curious about this. Would it be typical in Mafia games for the NK target to be alerted to the attack? I've been NK'd before, and obviously been notified. But, if you have BP, do you get a message saying that you were targeted, yet survived?

@d2lover @snickersnack, no indication that the NK targeted one of you, but got re-directed or something? It's just not sitting well with me that Pyro was the supposed NK target. It doesn't make sense.
 
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